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Topic: ARC 2008
Posted By: Richard108
Subject: ARC 2008
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 23:30
I see there are 7 x Hanses in the ARC this year (last year there was 10).    Interesting to see 3 x 630's.  Best of luck to everyone doing the ARC.  http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/entries.aspx - www.worldcruising.com/arc/entries.aspx  
 
Model Boat Name Owner Nat. Division
370e Outer Limits Joost Gehrels NED Division I: Cruising
400e Flyer of Lorne Dave Sturrock GBR Division II: Racing
411 Samba Mr Michiel Toes NED Division I: Cruising
540e Arrowdill Ron Sullivan GBR Division I: Cruising
630 Ayachucho Jose Francisco de Yturbe USA Invitation Cruising
630 Karina Klaus Schumacher GER Invitation Cruising
630e Nereida Hannes Ziegler GBR Invitation Cruising
 
The total number of boats in the ARC is slightly doen 218 for 2008 as compared to 238 in 2007.
 
Listed below are the number of each make / design that has had more than 1 yacht in either the 2007 or the 2008 ARC.  The numbers may not be entirely accurate as sometimes the yachts are described differently.
 
MAKE 2008 2007
Beneteau  29 44
Oyster  16 16
Jeanneau  15 19
Hallberg Rassy  15 8
Bavaria  14 10
Swan  13 11
Lagoon  7 14
Hanse  7 10
Dufour  7 3
Moody 6 6
X 5 6
Amel  5 5
Westerly  4 2
One Off 4 3
Najad 4 2
Sweden  3 2
Challenge  3 0
Nicholson  3 1
Bowman  3 1
Fountaine Pajot  3 6
Wauquiez  2 2
Van de Stadt 2 0
Dehler  2 3
CNB 2 1
Island Packet  2 2
Alubat  2 1
Gib'sea  2 1
Volvo  1 2
 
12 boats are doing the ARC again this year that did it last year.  No Hanses.
 
Boat Name Design
Chris Beneteau 50
Coyote Beneteau First 40.7
EH01 Beneteau First 47.7
Emerald Beneteau 411
Flying Teapot Comet 62 RS
Magrathea Oyster 56
Matelot Southern Wind 80
Nimrod Dehler 47
Northern Child of St Peter Port Swan 51
Ocean Wanderer Westerly Oceanlord 41
Salt Whistle Feeling 446
Star Chaser Swan 51
 


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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia



Replies:
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 19:25
As far as i know is Hanse Yard also at the starting harbour to assist the starters

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Blake 370


Posted By: Brad McMaster
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 07:05
Not sure what happened this year but i believe the UK guys have sent some one down historically

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GHOST - Hanse 470e - 058
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/ghost/


Posted By: John Allison
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 12:49
Last year Brad (Ghost) was really helpful in keeping us posted by email on our competitors positions. 
He was able to read the web reports which we on board could not.
 
So if any of you want to support a fellow Hanse owner why not send one an email to say hello - most can receipt those via radio or sat phone when underway - and then keep them updated with outside web news?
 
I am sure they'd appreciate the contact and help.
 
JOHN
 


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No longer a Hanse owner - but loved the one we had!


Posted By: Scorpio
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 13:45
World Cruising provide a fleet viewer complete with daily position reports http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/viewer.aspx - here .  Positions are updated during the UK afternoon to provide midday reports for that day including distance run in previous 24 hours and distance to finish.
 
Currently Karina, a Hanse 630, is lying 2nd overall.
 
Ed


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Ed Essery
Scorpio GBR 9824T
Hanse 342#465 - Solent Based


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 27 November 2008 at 19:06
Don't believe everything that is on world cruising, it is not 100%.
But it is close !


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Swanned off


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 27 November 2008 at 19:48
I have read about the ARC for years & have a question
Please excuse my ignorance but,
How does one get back home (home being the UK) ?
what route etc -is it the north atlantic route with head winds & gales etc
Nothing to do with the Hanse website -but I would like to know
Any comments?
 
Daydream Believer


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Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex


Posted By: Scorpio
Date Posted: 27 November 2008 at 20:35
There's something called ARC Europe
 
It starts in two places - Antigua shortly after Race Week and somewhere on the Florida coast around the same time.  Both these initial legs go to Bermuda where there is a pause of about a week.  It then proceeds to Horta in the Azores.  There is a two or three week pause in the Azores for a cruise in company through the islands (or independent cruising).  ARC Europe resumes from Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel with two legs one to Plymouth or Falmouth (I forget which) and one to Lagos on the Algarve.
 
Arrives back in UK/Portugal in mid/late June.  I'm sure there's more details on the World Cruising web site.  It's not nearly as well attended as the west bound ARC because most potential participants have already done an Atlantic crossing and are confident in doing the return leg alone.
 
I did the Azores to Lagos leg in 2001 - a fantastic sail in glorious weather - on a Dehler 41DS.  We were first boat into Lagos on corrected time (by 20 hours) and elapsed time (by 10 minutes).
 
Ed


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Ed Essery
Scorpio GBR 9824T
Hanse 342#465 - Solent Based


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 27 November 2008 at 23:19

Basicly it is north out of he Carribian, then hang a right to the Azores, few beers then north east to UK, the weather tends to be more interesing returning than going out.

Simon



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Swanned off


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 28 November 2008 at 09:27

The 3 x Hanse 630's are doing very well.  From what I can work out 2nd, 17th and 20th adjusting for the different reporting times.  The information on the ARC site in this latest report looks a bit mixed up though.

 

You can see the Daily Logs of some of Hanse yachts that are posting them at

 

Flyer of Lorne 

http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/dailylogs.aspx?EIValue1=6610 -  

Samba (in Dutch)

http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/dailylogs.aspx?EIValue1=5978 - English Translation

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldcruising.com%2Farc%2Fdailylogs.aspx%3FEIValue1%3D5978&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en -  

Arrowdill

http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/dailylogs.aspx?EIValue1=6404 -  

Ayachucho (in Spanish)

http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/dailylogs.aspx?EIValue1=6753 - English Translation

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldcruising.com%2Farc%2Fdailylogs.aspx%3FEIValue1%3D6753&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en -  

 

 



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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 10 December 2008 at 01:03

Karina the 630 has finished in 6th place across the line, taking 16 days and 3 hours.  What an incredible result.  3 of the yachts that beat Karina were 80 feet and another one of them was a Volvo 0cean 60.

 
The other two Hanse 630's are also doing very well currently 23rd and 26th with still a little way before they get to the finish line.
 
Quote from Arrowdill's daily log
"Arrowdill retired. Broken main halyard. All other halyards jammed with problem in mast. We are diverting to Mindello, Cape Verdes."
 
Current positions of the Hanse yachts are

Model

Boat Name

Division

Position

630

Karina

Invitation Cruising

6 Finished

630

Ayachucho

Invitation Cruising

23

630e

Nereida

Invitation Cruising

26

400e

Flyer of Lorne

Division II: Racing

102

411

Samba

Division I: Cruising

117

370e

Outer Limits

Division I: Cruising

191

540e

Arrowdill

Division I: Cruising

withdrawn - in Cape Verdes

 



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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 10 December 2008 at 13:32
Karina could have been no. 1 but took a chance on a other course and met very little wind just as they were getting close in DTF-term to the winner (Swan 82).

Conclusion: The Hanse 630 is faster than a Swan 82 Smile

/Steen


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Hanse 342#436


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 10 December 2008 at 18:59
Hello,
Whilst a small point, Flyer is in fact in cruising not racing, his performance appears to reflect my own from last year in a 370, about the same as an Benbavjen 52 or an oyster 55.
 
Whilst in speed a Hanse 630 matches a Swan 82, I suspect the Swan is a slightly sexier boat. Would not say no to a go on either.
 
Simon


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Swanned off


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 28 November 2010 at 23:20
The ARC is a dream for me.
Does anyone know if any Hanse 320 has done the ARC?
 
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 29 November 2010 at 04:44
no 320 in the arc this year , 470 and 540 are on
gr marcel


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Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-......


Posted By: 371-#235
Date Posted: 29 November 2010 at 06:59

After a quick look - I think it's 2 -470's, 2- 540's, 1 - 411, 1 - 371 this year



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Bob
371-#235
"Blondie"


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 29 November 2010 at 17:25
Does anyone know if the Hanse 320 has been in the ARC race previous years?
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 30 November 2010 at 21:52
I have not seen a hanse 320 on the ARC; but you will have no problem with a 320.
Before my 370 we had a 320 whilst slower and smaller than a 370 still a good boat.
The ARC people will be happy with a 320 and the small boats have far more fun than all the monster gas guzlers that dominate the event.
Hope to have Gertha in the 2012 event, for a second trip . If you or anyone else is planing that far in advance then am happy to buy the first round of beer in Rodney bay; although the rum punch may be better.
If you can manage the time Rally Portugal from world cruising is a good introduction and you have some friends and contacts ready made for the ARC with other boats doing the same trip.
Best not to think about it; just book and go.
As I stated a year or two ago, a hanse 370 has the same speed as a bavaria/benetau/jenau 45/50 and a hanse 63 is much the same as 80 ft swan, your speed will match all the tuby 40ft boats that regularly sail accross.

Simon

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Swanned off


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 30 November 2010 at 22:08
Hi Gertha.
I am considering to do it 2014 because i need more exerience first.
Then I think I have to upgrade som things to the boat, like bigger backstay, bigger bilge pump, autopilot, radar, AIS (will install it this winter).
 
I've just signed up for two different navigation courses such as navigation offshore.
 
Which way do you take home? I have heard many who take the way to Azores.
 
I have read about 4 blogs about people who saild the ARC previous yers.
They have never had wind over 20 knots (10m/s). Can it really be true?
What chance is there that you really get into a real storm. This is my biggest fear if I will do the ARC.
 
If you know any good blogs or something please let me know.
 
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 03 December 2010 at 23:42
Is the 320 "safe to go" without any modifications?

During the planning phase of a regatta crossing the North Sea in 2011, several issues according to the http://www.sailing.org/documents/special-regs.php - ISAF OSR cat 2 regulations concerns me:

3.03.1
On board a certificate of building plan review from a notified body
recognized by ISAF.

3.08.4
A companionway hatch shall:

a) be fitted with a strong securing arrangement which shall be
operable from the exterior and interior including when the yacht is
inverted

b) have any blocking devices:
i capable of being retained in position with the hatch open or shut
ii whether or not in position in the hatchway, secured to the yacht
(e.g. by lanyard) for the duration of the race, to prevent their
being lost overboard
iii permit exit in the event of inversion

3.09.8
Cockpit Drains

See OSR 3.09.1. Cockpit drain cross section area (after allowance for
screens if fitted) shall be:-

b) in yachts with earliest of age or series date 1/72 and later - at least
that of 4 x 20mm diameter (3/4 inch) unobstructed openings or
equivalent

3.22
Hand Holds

Adequate hand holds shall be fitted below deck so that crew members
may move about safely at sea.
A hand hold should be capable of withstanding without rupture a side
force of 1500N - attention is drawn to ISO 15085.

3.23.2
Bilge pumps shall not be connected to cockpit drains. (OSR 3.09)

3.23.5
The following shall be provided:

a) two permanently installed manual bilge pumps, one operable from
above, the other from below deck. Each pump shall be operable
with all cockpit seats, hatches and companionways shut and shall
have permanently installed discharge pipe(s) of sufficient capacity
to accommodate simultaneously both pumps

- Any comments, anyone?



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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 03 December 2010 at 23:54
Stian,

Understand that a First 31.7 competed some years ago. Should not be that different from a Hanse 320 (both class A boats). Assume some modifications have to be done.


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 00:48
You buy a yacht with "A" classification for crossing oceans. But when you want to enter a race crossing the North Sea you find that your "A" classification is not good enough. I think it is lamentable that Hanse, and other manufacturers, do not offer a yacht which satisfies these requirements.

The yachts are only really built for marina to marina coastal sailing; perhaps this is what most purchasers buy a yacht for. If you want to race or cross an ocean, you have to upgrade it.

It is disappointing that Hanse do not offer an extra cost package which satisfies race requirements for crossing the North Sea. These requirements, some of which are listed by Shaukaas, should be regarded as essential safety items for extended cruising which includes night passages.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 02:52
During a class for get my "ISAF approved safety training certificate" last spring, we discussed these any many other items on the "ISAF" list.

I do think that the 320's easily passes the CE A certification, but the ISAF OSR requirements are probably way more strict. And when racing, you do not turn the bow back to the marina when the forecast is bad - you're supposed to be prepared for almost "anything." And if you wanna win the race....

The budget for all that safety equipment is probably enough to keep most cruisers/sunday sailors on a safe distance from signing up for the start anyways.

What are the demands for the ARC?


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 02:56
Originally posted by CharlesP CharlesP wrote:


It is disappointing that Hanse do not offer an extra cost package which satisfies race requirements for crossing the North Sea. These requirements, some of which are listed by Shaukaas, should be regarded as essential safety items for extended cruising which includes night passages.
Charles


I find it more disappointing that you are not even able to fit a 105%'er to the forestay, without spending hours of customization and a number of self-made constructions on a "brand new" yacht... to be able to use a "real" jib...

I mean, the winches where in place from the yard - the genoa tracks as well. Why didn't anyone of them razor-sharp boatbuilders pull a rope through it, to verify the foolishness? Angry

But, still, I find it dubiously that the companionway hatch arrangement is too weak to be approved by ISAF's cat 2 regulations...


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 22:07
For ARC you can find conditions of entry http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/safety.aspxy
There is no great expense , the liferaft and satphone can be hired if budget is tight.
I am curiouse to know what is not on a new hanse that you require for an overnight passage and also for ISAF cat2 ?
Simon

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Swanned off


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 21:15
Originally posted by gertha gertha wrote:

The ARC people will be happy with a 320 and the small boats have far more fun than all the monster gas guzlers that dominate the event.
Simon
 
Do you think the 320 can handle the waves safely if there will be strong winds?
I don´t know how big the waves can be out there but i have read from other who have done the ARC that they had waves like 5-7 meters.
 
For each day my interest for the ARC gets bigger and bigger.

//Henrik
 


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 25 July 2011 at 19:21
I can only speak from my own experience in 2007.
The winds that year were very high , we had 3 days of 30/40 knot wind with associated sea.
In that year there were boats of less than 32 ft and not as sea worthy as a 320, they all arived in St.Lucia.
Whilst people may have had a wave of 7 meters I would be suprised, however we are talking long ocean swell, not short waves, the effect is different.
Also we are talking down wind sailing, sailing / surfing at 7/9 knots in 35 knots of wind , you only have 25 knots of wind on the boat, your boat will be fine; as I have said before a good down wind set up is what is required.

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Swanned off


Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 25 July 2011 at 22:32
Hi,
I can agree with gertha. I saled in 2010 the 25th ARC. It was a great experience for me. We saled with an Oyster 54 but from my point of view its first of all a question of the experience of the crew.
The waves on the ocean have a long distance between and that is a lot different to the baltic or mediterian waves!


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best regards

Bjoern





Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 26 July 2011 at 21:33
Hi Gertha and Sailkoop.

Do you have any sort of checklist for the ARC? what to bring and so on?
If you have i would be happy if you could mail it to me.

Or if you know where to find one.

//Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: graemefromdownu
Date Posted: 28 July 2011 at 00:27
I too would be interested in a detailed checklist as set out for boats in the ARC.  Email would be fine via PM.

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461: Dreamtime Wanderer, on her way to Australia.


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 07:58
Does anyone know about earthquakes around the Canary Islands will affect the ARC in 2011?
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 10:48
Which year are you looking at doing the ARC Henrik?
Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: Eduard
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 11:54
@Henrik
Two weeks ago I was at Lanzarote (by plane), which is in the north eastern part of the archipelago. Everything was quiet; the earth was not moving.
BTW I have been in two nice marinas there: Marina Rubicon at Playa Blanca + Puerto Calero, which I like most.
 
I recall that in the beginning of October there where some movements of the earth (vulcano?) in the south western part of the archipelago. It was at the island of El Hierro, I think.
 
The ARC departs from Gran Canaria, which is in the centre of the archipelago.
 
Hasta luego!


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Ed

sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x)


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 12:29
Dave: I think 2014 or 2015 dependence which boat I have.

Eduard:
They said on the swedish news yesterday that several countries are evacuating people from the islands because of the high intensity of quakes the last days.
I saw several pictures where underwater volcanoes started to emit lava in the water
 
/Henrik
 


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Eduard
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 15:10
If that is true, then I have left Lanzarote just in time.

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Ed

sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x)


Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 21:15
Henrik,
I would be looking at 2015 as my earliest, as I need to change my Hanse..
Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 20:55
Then we do it 2015 together Tongue.
I think i will need a larger boat with more comfort then my 320 before I do ARC.
Maybe 385 or 400. 385 I think have some saftey issues to do the ARC but have alot of comfort.
 
 
 
 


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 10 November 2011 at 19:40
Dave,
Take the 301.
Simon

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Swanned off


Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 20 November 2011 at 13:39
Simon, do you think it is up for it? - in more ways than just robustness.....
Big smile
Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 20 November 2011 at 18:37
In a word , yes.
Ask any one in world cruising they will tell you the small boats have far more fun.
The sail to St.Lucia is a fairly easy affair, the Welsh Sea can be far more of a chalange.
The main catch as I see it is what you do after the ARC; if you are thinking of a year or two in the West Indies chilling out then a 30 ft boat is a bit small as everything is anchoring.
Frieght back and the cost is not a lot less for a baby boat, costs a bomb either way.
Sail on then you are doing a lot of blue water so may be a bit small.
Sail back.
Sell Dancing D in the Carib.
It would be an interesting project to cost out the option of upgrade to a bigger boat against using existing, in money terms your baby Hanse will win hands down, in comfort terms a 460 (for me) is the optimum size.
However the 370 is the only boat I would do it in, as that is what I have.
Simon

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Swanned off


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 20 November 2011 at 18:41
When I will du the ARC i will have my boat freight back or pay someone to sail it back.
 


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 20 November 2011 at 19:17
I have now found one Hanse 470 who is sailing ARC. Right now they are in the middle.



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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 20 November 2011 at 19:26
Henrick
Surely the point of it all is to finish it off
if you do not sail home you have given up half way & I would feel I have cheated myself
The point of the crossing in a group is to give you confidence & build experience
Then you go it alone for the return trip - but you can join a group back I believe
 
I suppose it depends on why you want to do it in the first place & I wonder if those talking about it really know what they want to do it for
 
I expect a lot want to do it because it is the one trip on everyone's lips so it is the " in thing"
Is it to be able to say " I have crossed the Atlantic in my own boat" & hope people look at you in awe
is it to build experience for longer trips
Is it to find out what it is like to do a long sea journey
Is it to see St Lucia & cruise that part of the world
Is it to get the buzz of seeing the islands appear over the horizon after 2 weeks at sea. I am sure we all love that " there it is " feeling & it is like a drug. The further & more difficult the trip the bigger the buzz - Until it wears off & you need another injection
Is it to find out if you can actually survive a long sea trip without site of land
Is it just to enter a race & see if you can beat anyone with a bigger boat than you
 
Ever since I was young & read about the AZAB & I have dreamed of doing that. The ARC came later
I think that the AZAB would tick all the boxes without crossing the atlantic-- or would it
I do not know but at least I would do the return trip to complete the experience. That's if I am still healthy enough when the next one comes around
 


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Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex


Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 20 November 2011 at 20:16
Simon, Many thanks for your words, they are very thought provoking, but I will have to work had on my wife to convince her, Wink.
 
I must admit, the 301 is a tough little yacht, and it is a shame that hanse no longer do a good entry level yacht anymore.....
Henrik, yes there is a return ARC ( ARC Europe, i believe), or you could do the ARC, then sell your Hanse and buy another on your return.......
Big smile
Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 21 November 2011 at 14:12
Originally posted by Henrik84 Henrik84 wrote:



When I will du the ARC i will have my boat freight back or pay someone to sail it back.
 


      What a wonderful idea Henrik. The thought of someone paying me to go to America and then pay me again to sail a fully provisioned Hanse for a month or two is very attractive. Keep in touch.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 21 November 2011 at 14:23
Charles, what a great idea, I would be able to find crew to help or I could help you for half the fee. :-)


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 21 November 2011 at 14:42
Hi.
I will take the cheapest way to get her home. So if you are cheaper than what it costs to ship her home, you are welcome to sail her home to Sweden.
 
If i only got the time i would sail her myself.

/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 23 November 2011 at 18:16
Samuels thoughts on why people sail the ARC, had me thinking that someone else had writain some similar lines.




IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!




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Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 23 November 2011 at 19:19
So come on forum members
Why would YOU want to do the ARC????
Other than have some time to learn some poetry - And that is not such a bad reason in itself!!


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Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 24 November 2011 at 15:05
Why so negative?
I will do it because it is a challenge and then have some great sailing in the caribic archipelago.

In your way of thinking, you probably only sail one hour trips before you got bored.
/Henrik


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Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 24 November 2011 at 16:22
Henrik
You have me totally wrong there
I did not wish to come over as being negative.
Just curious as to why people do it. Do they really know?
If I did it, the biggest thrill would be the uncertainty of departure, then the destination coming over the horizon.
But then after a few days I would be off for another " fix" & St Lucia itself would not be the " pull"
But If i made it to st Lucia I would feel I had "cheated" myself by not sailing home
It is really all down to -- why you want to do it in the first place
Do you just want to say " I crossed the pond" or do you want to feel like a real ocean voyager & finish the loop


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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 24 November 2011 at 17:02
I think there are many interesting questions asked in this thread that would be valid not only for ARC but for sailing in general. Maybe we should ask the Webmaster for another section - "Philosophy" - next to "Cruising"?

Johan

PS. And a "Physics Debate" section where galley sink problems are discussed.

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Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 24 November 2011 at 19:20
Ok Johan
I have asked the question but no one has said why
If your sink drained & your swim platform stayed together & your photos & songs sold well ( more chance of that than the swim platform from the look of things!!) & you had the time
Would the ARC be on your list & if so why?


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Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 24 November 2011 at 19:27
As I said before, I will do ARC because of the challenge to cross the big ocean and then sail in beautiful area.
I love to have challenges in my life and you only live once.
I will also do it to meet alot of new people.

These things have got me to sail ARC in a few years.
/Henrik 


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Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 10:12
Originally posted by samuel samuel wrote:

Ok Johan
I have asked the question but no one has said why

If your sink drained & your swim platform stayed together & your photos & songs sold well ( more chance of that than the swim platform from the look of things!!) & you had the time

Would the ARC be on your list & if so why?


Samuel, the ARC is not on my list. Not for now, at least. If it were, it would be for three reason (to answer you questions):

1. the curiosity to see what it would be like to live on a boat that would be moving night and day for three weeks,

2. the excitement to see land after three weeks,

3. to sail the interesting waters of the Caribbean.

The main reason for not doing the ARC is that it is quite a long trip and if you stress it you will miss a lot of places in your hurry to get to the Canary Islands.

Now, a bigger dream for me would be to sail up the Thames into London. That would be long trip from Stockholm. I dream about mooring in St Catherine's docks and have a pint of lager at Dicken's Inn. But then again, about the time I get there it will probably be turned into a pizzeria.

The talk about the ARC makes me remember when I was in a harbour in Northern Scotland a few years ago. I had sailed there from Norway with a guy in his Dufour 34 (we actually got to know each other at this very forum). We were waiting to start in a race back to Norway when a Norwegian family came into the harbour. They told us that they had been taking a sabbatical year and gone to the Canary Islands and sailed around there. The most common reaction they got from people was "Oh, the Caribbean?" -"No, the Canaries.", "What, the Caribbean?".

You don't always have to travel far to have traveled far.

Johan

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Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 18:35
Johan
It is amazing how peoples perceptions of places vary
Having worked near St Catherines & pushed my way to the bar to get served at Dickens inn, I would not give you twopence for the place. But if I had just sailed all the way from Stockholm It would be the greatest place in the world-- Until the buzz wore off & I needed another fix.
Now Scotland -- Hmm actually it's on the retirement list---- & I do know that is beautiful


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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 20:32
I never meant to say that Dickens Inn is the best pub in the world. It is just that it is the nearest to the harbour. I would not sail all the way from Stockholm just to visit Dickens Inn.

Johan

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Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 25 November 2011 at 21:30

I really dont think you should have gont to St Catherines, I think it is far to posh for you, Limehouse basin is the place to go, and there you have the bar at the CA or the local bars around the corner.  But or perhaps Samuel, has a better suggestion. WinkLOL

Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: Jesterjon
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 16:37
Hi,

I am new to this forum, but I have been reading your posts with interest. With my twin brother I have a 385 on order due Jan 12. I have been Watching this years ARC particularly the Hanse 370 in group F. I would one day like to sail the ARC, yes to say I had done it, also to experience the thrill of ocean sailing with a degree of security knowing there are others about, I think a shared experience is often more rewarding than one experienced alone and it all looks fun.

My first challenge will be to learn my new boat which will be on the Clyde NW Scotland.



Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 16:53
Jesterjon, welcome to the world of myHanse, Nice to see you have chosen a 385, please keep us updated as to how you get on, and your learning curve with it. 
We sailed around the your part of Scotland last year after the 3PYR, and we will be looking at joining the Classic Malt Cruise.
Be great if there was a chance to meet up then.
Also dont forget to get your myhanse burgee.....
Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 17:31
Holby
Lime house is full of green sludge & canal boats, but if you want a drink or a meal try Gordon ramsay's resturant -- called the Narrow --or for a drink try the Grapes
If you want a long walk then The Prospect of Whitby used to be OK, have not been there for a while
If you are a yuppy take a 10 min walk along the river to Canary Wharf & go to one of the Yuppy pubs- not my scene though- 1 pint & a large G& T £14-00 ( not sure what that is in euros - The way things are going -- a barrowfull unfortunately)


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Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 17:52
Samuel,
yes canal boats but also yachts, even in the summer did not see to much of the green sludge,  the GR resturant i have to admit is good and reasonable priced, but on seeing what looked liked frozen chips and veg on the door step at about 6 am, it seems that they also follow the other resturants.
The bar and resturant at the CA is good, and also the company in the bar, you never know who will turn up, is always great. Another good reason to be a memebr of the CA together with the good price for B & B in London.
Dave


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Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 18:02
Holby
I have often wondered about joining the CA but last time I asked I seem to recall about £ 80-00 PA
However, as I now live too far away from their HQ the benefits are largely lost.
Still I believe there is a mine of information if you want to travel far -- The ARC perhaps !!!


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Posted By: Jesterjon
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 18:17
Cheers Holby,

What is a MyHanse Burgee? And how do I get one? The malt cruise looks good but I have 2 children who will be with me all summer and although my wife and I would enjoy it the children may not appreciate the drinking, etc.

Anyway I'll look out for you over the summer, what model do you sail?

Jon.


Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 18:50
Jon,
A myhanse burgee is a burgee that has been designed as a collective of a number of members and depicts a design of the northern hemisphere on the obverse and the southern hemisphere on the reverse, to cover the whole world.
I know many young children are on the boats on the cruise, if you are interested i would speak to the organisers to see what they say?
I sail a baby Hanse a Hanse 301, and it would be great to have a look around yours once you have moved in, so to speak, as it is often
very different to seeing a boat at a show and seeing how people fit in.
As for where to get a burgee go to http://www.theropeshack.com/" rel="nofollow - www.theropeshack.com and select the store and scroll down and you will see it.
We are looking at arriving probably about a week before it starts so there my be time for a myhanse meet as i know there are a number of others up there.
All the very best and please dont forget to post some pictures when you get her.
 


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Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 26 November 2011 at 19:07
Samuel,
I am also a fair distance away and, infact there are members all around the world, so seemingly distance does not seem to enter into the equation. I suppose it depends what you want out of the association, but for my mind it I get more back, in savings than the price of my membership, sadly some people dismiss the association without actually looking to what is on offer. Perhaps it is a case of "not seeing the wood for the trees" as they say.
Perhaps tho' it might be case of you not fitting in,
I myself use the facilities  a number of times a year and enjoy my visits, and will certainly enjoy my visit therr next year when i visit the Olympics.
Dve


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Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 27 November 2011 at 11:31
Welcome Jesterjon and what a very good idea Holby for a get-together on a nice new boat. I hope I will be able to be part of it as I hope to visit Scotland next year.

Haven't been to Limehouse for many years, but enjoyed West India Dock in Canary Wharf last Easter and it's local pub, The Gun overlooking the Thames.

For me though, St Catherine's location cannot be beaten. Just a shame that the arrangements for getting inside there and bookings seem so chaotic at times, which is primarily why we went to West India Dock.

Charles

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320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: Jesterjon
Date Posted: 27 November 2011 at 12:34
Holby,

Thanks, the Burgee will soon be ordered. Once I have the boat I will look at whether the cruise will fit into my summer plans. I look forward to seeing other Hanse Yachts as well.

Jon.


Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 28 November 2011 at 19:11
Hi all,

I have sailed with the ARC 2008 and we found it a life remembering experience. I had three friends with me and the wife of one of my friends said that for a whole year every picture he was on he was smiling big time.

Beforehand i had no idea what to expect. Just too busy preparing.

One peace of advice from my side: select your crew carefully. I selected them on the fact they were easy going and not just good sailors.Some crew arrived almost fighting with each other. We just had a great time with each other.

One of my crew members made a great video of the crossing. I will post it on youtube soon.

Greetz,

Michiel


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 28 November 2011 at 20:19
Samba
Where did you go when you got there
sail back home or cruise the area
& you do not say what boat you had
it would be nice if you filled in the profile


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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 28 November 2011 at 20:43
We spend 5 months in the Caribean and visited most of the islands between the grenadines and the british virgin islands. We also joined the ARC europe and sailed the boat back to Holland.

You can find more info on all the modifications we did and pictures as well. http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1746&title=recommandations-for-atlantic-crossing

Ps i have just added my signature

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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 29 November 2011 at 18:40
I edited the old post mentioned above and the format screwed up so bad it was unreadable. I have just edited to make it readable again.

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