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    Posted: 20 October 2014 at 22:14
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I'm considering fitting a rope cutter to the prop this winter. I have never had one and never actually had a fouled prop but maybe I've just been lucky.
I have a folding 2 blade flexofold - any experiences or recommendations as to the best one would be appreciated.Confused
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On my saildrive I have a stripper from Ambassador marine. I am told that it is the only one that can be used on a  saildrive. But by all means check that statement first.
Mine has 2 No. 5mm bolts that hold the 2 main parts together. The heads of the bolts locate in pre drilled holes in the back of the propellor. However, these bolts have sheared every year & i replaced them by drilling the hard steel & re threading & using 6mm bolts. I am told the later strippers use 3 bolts to counter the shearing off. This means that when you get the stripper you then have to have holes drilled in the back of the prop to take the heads of these bolts. ( The bolts are actually Cap Head type for allen keys). These holes need to be very accurate as they need to apply the same shear on each bolt head. if one engaged first it would shear that one , then the next one to engage & so on. My Brunton Auto prop had the holes ( 2 ) drilled when it came as I bought both items from Brunton. When i sent the prop back for service Bruntons drilled 3 more holes as I thought I was going to have to buy a new stripper.
The reason i expected to buy a new stripper was because the bearings ( thin shims of some thing like Delrin or similar) had worn & the metal began to wear so much that the standard shims would no longer fit & it allowed a gap between the cutting blades, ( they pass close to each other like a scissor). When i rang Ambassador I had the impression that it was a bloke in his lounge making up prices. First he wanted £500-00 for a new stripper, Then he reduced it to £480-00 then he reduced it to £ 450-00. New bearings are about £ 55-00 ( depending on whether he has had a bad day or not I suspect). i was so P..d of with his attitude I paid £ 28-00 online for some tuffnol & made my own shims on my lathe to suit the worn blades. The stripper now works fine.
So you need to check the bearings every year & change them in time so you do not wear the steel as I did.
You also need a slightly different Anode as the stripper fits into this. Once again I got fed up with the price & I now buy standard saildrive anodes & drill the required hole & cut the required groove myself
Buy one plus a standard one & then alter a standard one for yourself using the new one as a guide before you fit the original one which will get worn & you will not be able to use it as a guide
Finally make sure the shaft on the saildrive is long enough to accept the stripper as it pushes the prop aft a bit.

As to performance. I have hit something every year & got away with it most times. I have cut nets & ropes but most years I have hit things that are so thick that the bolts have sheared. But I have still got away with it. It cuts rope up to 25mm with ease. Plastic bags are the worse but go eventually
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Hi Samual, I am interested in your experience with your rope cutter, I have the same stripper with a Volvo saildrive and Volvo three bladed prop. I am now up to over two thousand engine hours and several thousand sailing miles. I have no problems. It has chopped through ropes and at least one sack. I take it apart every year and change the bearings every two. I wonder why the bolts shear on yours and not mine. Interesting.

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Blimey I didn't know it was going to be so complicated. But thanks for the insight Samuel. Are there any other experiences of rope cutters on the 2 blade Flexofold prop?
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Originally posted by echoofwight echoofwight wrote:

Hi Samual, I am interested in your experience with your rope cutter, I have the same stripper with a Volvo saildrive and Volvo three bladed prop. I am now up to over two thousand engine hours and several thousand sailing miles. I have no problems. It has chopped through ropes and at least one sack. I take it apart every year and change the bearings every two. I wonder why the bolts shear on yours and not mine. Interesting.

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As i said, later models have 3 bolts &  I think that for a while they had 2 No. 6mm bolts in lieu of the 2 No 5mm that I had. I generally knew when they sheared because I felt the thump as they caught something & then, possibly because the shims were worn the blades rattled . At the time I did not know about changing the bearing shims. But now I have a few spares. However, after my round UK trip I think that the grade of tuffnol I used may have performed better than the manufactured ones. They certainly cost a lot less. I am ashamed to say that I have now clocked up at least as many hours as you have, Possibly 3000 !!!!
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I had an Ambassador rope cutter on my previous boat for 13 seasons (10,000 miles and 1500 engine hours) without any major problems. I replaced the nylon(?) bearings (shims) after 10 years and, like Samual, modified the standard anodes to fit. 

I reckon the cutter did it's stuff probably 3 times before I sold the boat.

I specified the same for High Time and so far (2 seasons) I have nothing to report. I haven't had to replace the bearings or anode yet and haven't felt the cutter 'operate' (yet). However, it's good to know it's there!

Well worth fitting, though, just for peace of mind, even if it doesn't ever perform it's primary function.


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Originally posted by High Time High Time wrote:

I had an Ambassador rope cutter on my previous boat for 13 seasons (10,000 miles and 1500 engine hours)


This is a thread drift !!!!
1500 hours at 6kts ( which is roughly what most of us get) is 9000 miles
If you allow for motoring in & out of port etc then say 5Kts & that is still 7500 miles
If you only did 10000 miles then that leaves 1000 miles ( or 2500) of sailing
I was surprised after my last season to see how many hours I had clocked up under engine
Made me  wonder if I had a motor boat or a yacht
It makes claims of only motoring a small percentage of the time difficult to substantiate

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I think it depends on where you sail, I often need to run the engine for an hour to get to a point I can sail from, with the best will in the world I can't sail through a lock. Then a short sail to Cowes, or somewhere else close and the engine is back on again.
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Originally posted by samuel samuel wrote:


This is a thread drift !!!!

. . . . . 

Definitely thread drift and I'm not sure what point you were trying to make.

There was some rounding in my figures - now I think about it the engine hours were probably nearer 1200 and quite a few miles were missing when the log stopped working (as it did frequently).

However, I make no apology for the miles to engine hours ratio. I suspect many other owners have similar ratios. I sail mainly with my wife as crew. She likes 'yachting', which starts when the sailing stops! This means that passage making is achieved as quickly and painlessly as possible. It's a compromise but at least she comes with me. I note that you sail mainly single handed where you have only yourself to worry about. 

Also, much of the mileage is achieved on long summer cruises - several down to south Brittany, as far as La Rochelle. This sort of passage making often has significant tidal gates and frequently necessitate motor sailing to maintain the required average speed.

Finally berthing in a locked marina requires prolonged use of the engine for little distance covered.

Please don't feel ashamed of your 3,000 engine hours - I am sure you have equally valid reasons.


Edited by High Time - 22 October 2014 at 13:12
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Please- I was not knocking , only making an observation on something that sprang to mind when I read your post


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