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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cptgood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 March 2018 at 18:52
All done . Smile They had to take the engine a little more forward than expected (about 30 cm)  in order to take the SD  out from the cabin because the engine room is quite tight. They took it  to the shop and did the job  before reinstallling. The seals looked good but.. better be safe than sorry! 
By the way, the SD anode did his job too and needed to be replaced after about 1 year and a half.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote StavrosNZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 March 2018 at 20:27
i have never seen a boot once replaced that looks like it should have been replaced, i appreciate people see this as piece of mind but it is completely unnecessary at the 7 years specified, thats just so Volvo and Yanmar can make money from us.

Inform your insurance company you are not replacing it, maybe they charge small premium but you should easily get more than twice the 7 years specified before actually needing the change. 

I recently observed a Farr in the yard next to mine having sail drive boot replaced after 25 years in operation, the original boot was in excellent condition.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Havhuldra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2022 at 18:46
Hi All.

I am in the process of changing the gator/ diaphragm on my newly aquired 2008. The gator have never been changed before, so 14+ years. (SD20 Sail drive) 
I will offer my thoughts and observations, any comments will be welcomed.

I actually found the gator to be leaking tiny amounts / tiny seepage.
This was not noticed before dismantling, as i bought the boat 5 days before putting it on the shore for the winter.

First inkling I got was when I found 3 of the bolts, clamping the gator to the hull, to have the holes  choked with salt. After dismantling the sail drive and cleaning the gator I found that there are a tiny lip on the underside, presumably to ensure seal against the hull. This lip has become hard and "glassy" in patches. (Easy to detect, run your finger over the rubber, and you feel the normal "rubber friction", as soon as you run the finger over the hard patch, it feels much slicker.)
Other than that, it seemed in "new" condition.

I also find that Hanse has done several variants regarding the engine compartment. Above the engine I have a upside-down "T", where the seawater intake filter and engine coolant expansion tank are located. This "T" has to be removed, it is secured with 2 screws and glue on each side, careful not to damage insulation.

Further, both the cabin and bathroom doors had to be removed, as they cover the hatches. I also loosened the insulation tape behind the bolts for the stairs to access to the nuts, and removed the stairs completely.

On my boat, the exhaust silencer is placed on the port side of the gearbox, and it had to be removed to gain access to the bolts holding the saildrive. It is also blocking access to the upper zinc anode in the gear box, which should be replaced annually according to the manual. I cleaned the anode with vinegar (concentrated) and checked the weight as per the manual, it is 200grams new and to be replaced at 140 grams. Mine is 14 years and 182 grams, and going back in. I will not bother to check it in 2-3 years. (Of course the wear rate will vary with use and salinity etc, but I should be safe for 3 years)

After removing all bolts holding the engine to the gearbox, as well as the bolts securing the engine mounts to the hull, I placed wooden blocks and shims in front of the engine bed, and slid the engine forward by hand, no more than 30-40 kg of force needed. NOTE: I also had a stack of shims in the rear, to prevent the engine from tilting down. This will also make assembly easier (I hope)

Update:
I tried to upload some pictures, but got error...
It turns out Yanmar (at least according to my local dealer) has had trouble with the paint on the sail drives. On my drive the paint had only partly adhesion to the metal, and corrosion had started, worst around bolt holes.
Stripped the drive for all old antifouling and bad paint, 3 coats of etching primer NOTE! do not skip this, as the alloy could actually get accelerated corrosion with a bad coating. 3 coats of Volvo Penta drive repair paint (dealer out of Yanmar version) and 3 coats of vinyl primer.

Engine mounts; aft and port engine mount defect. To change the port one, I used a ratchet strap over the boom to lift the engine. Used a 2x4 upright to support boom. The ratchet strap were also used to align the engine and gearbox, as the shims in the rear of the engine were a disappointment.

To get the engine to fit to the gear box 2 persons are minimum (3 better) as one has to be under the boat turning the propeller shaft to align splines to the fly wheel.  


Edited by Havhuldra - 05 February 2023 at 22:45
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Ratbasher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 December 2022 at 06:34
That's interesting; thanks, Audun.  I'm having the diaphragm on mine replaced (14 years old) and am waiting to see what the original was like.  An extra task I'm having done is to replace the gate-type valve for the seawater inlet with a ball valve.  The gate valve has got stuck on several occasions and I've been hesitant to use much force in case it breaks; I'm unsure of the metal but I'll bet its not the strongest.  All other hull valves were changed to Marelon a while back and they've proved robust and trouble-free.

Lykke til with your new boat.  I used to sail a Rassy 31 out of Stavanger for 7 years; incredible sailing grounds and surprisingly much cheaper than southern UK waters - until you go buy wine, of course.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Havhuldra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2023 at 13:32
Thanks for the tip on the valve. It was stuck, and is now changed to a ball type!
I will post an update on my initial post, with some pictures.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote coriolis2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2023 at 17:48
Great info! Plan to change out the 2007 seal next winter.
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