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    Posted: 27 July 2020 at 16:22
As I need to replace the self taking jib -- I have Dacron sails from North which are in the 9th season and the jib is definitively out of form now  -- I wonder, if it makes sense / is worth the price difference to replace the sail with the Elvstöm FCL version instead of the Dacron one. Comments about experiences would be very helpful -- many thanks! 
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A few years ago, I swaped original ST for a laminate (Trilam) with 3 vertical battens.
It's a night & day difference.  Very sensible with a high aspect rig.
If you can afford, avoid dacron for a ST sail.
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For self tacker, laminated with leech battens every time.
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I'm not a fan of the FCL.    The ones I have seen had delamination problems and also mildew between the layers.    

If you want a radial cut sail, not just cross-cut dacron,  look at HYDRANET.  Its the only woven cloth you can do that with. Because its woven,  you can scrub it and nothing gets between the layers (there are no layers).   I got 11 years from mine before I went to my new Hanse and the HPM (membrane EPEX) sails.  The full battened mail seemed new when I sold the boat and the 135 genoa was still going strong.

If not hydranet, then I would go with simple dacron cross-cut if you are not too worried about high end performance.   Any laminate sail has potential mildew and delamination issues
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Hi Alain,

Not impressed with FCL. 

Into 6th season and had £1,000 sailmaker bill for headsail delamination repairs and addition of a UV strip to slow any further deterioration. Sail looks perfect except for areas of delamination. Sailmaker advised that we should not expect more than another 2-3 seasons from this sail.

Our boat spent three years in Spain (very rarely used) followed by three years in Scotland so don't consider it had excessive UV exposure. No idea how many sailing miles logged but engine only has 800-hours if that's any indication of use.

Be worth searching 'FCL' on this forum for other owners comments.

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Originally posted by StavrosNZ StavrosNZ wrote:

For self tacker, laminated with leech battens every time.

The trouble with battens is that when changing sail you cannot easily flake the sail on the deck without removing the battens first.
So if one wants to do a sail change from ST to genoa, at sea (or even just at one's berth) it is almost impossible on a smaller boat; at least for me being single handed.
One of my STs was a dacron without battens & I could just stuff it down the hatch & sort it out later. However, even without battens, I would not treat a laminate sail in quite the same way.

The 3 dacron STs I have had were Ok for a while. I now have a laminate sail. It is far more powerful. The 3 dacron STs only lasted a total of 12 years together. I have had the laminate for 5 years (limited sailing this year) & expect to get another year then will change it.

The main is a Hyde "Fibrecon"  & the ST is similar by Ultimate sails.  It may be another trade name for the " Hydranet" mentioned earlier.

If one does not intend to use a sail cover, as seen on many Dutch yachts, then I would always make sure that the sail had a wide UV strip. I have been told that this can distort the leech on some sails, but it has not happened to me.


Edited by samuel - 28 July 2020 at 08:50
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I dont have the Hanse FCL sails but i can imagine that like all production yacht builders offerings they are made to a tight cost dictated by the sail manufacturer being screwed down by the tough purchasing folks at Hanse.

My laminated sails are by Doyle Sails, their Stratis technology, have had thier and Norths Laminated sails on 4 boats, never had delamination until they were very very old and used, never had mold inside laminate and they all outlasted their Dacron equivalents and held decent shape their entire lives.

Sorry to say with sails you most definitely get what you pay for, go to reputable loft and get quality sails, yacht builders offerings will always be cost defined. Just a shame we don't get a decent credit by taking no sails when buying the boats and using this for quality sails first up.


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