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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2019 at 13:03
captain Cook, I have 2 copies of the first book that you mention & it is very poor. However, I have looked at the review of the second book and if the chartlet of Middleburgh is anything to go by it will be excellent.
I will purchase it soon.
I note in the forward that there is reference to an app with charts. I will have a look at that as well at the beginning of 2020 as it seems to be an annual subscription item
Once again thanks
I am beginning to build up a library of comments & info which will be very helpful.
Some of our cruise members are watching this thread with interest
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gregor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2019 at 20:19
You are aware of this site https://www.varendoejesamen.nl/kenniscentrum/artikel/staande-mast-route
Of course in Dutch :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2019 at 21:24
Thank you
Seems like we will have to cancel plans to go; as the  Volkeraksluizen stops the 445 going very far north & that means that the only practical place for them is Middleburgh.There are no other decent places that boat can sensible stop where there is interest for all the others as well. Willemstad,Dordrecht, Goes, Zierikzee all being off the listCry
I will try to arrange a trip taking in Blankenburgh, Breskens, Ternuzen & Antwerp instead, then stop at Middleburgh for a couple of days & perhaps a cycle ride to Veere so they at least get a flavour of Dutch inland waters.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brufan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2019 at 05:14
Samuel,

Volkeraksluizen have a parallel lock for commercial traffic with an opening bridge.  You can ask to use it if your mast is too high for yachting lock
Yachting lock has a limited clearance of approx 18,3 m.

Translation from website mentioned above about volkeraksluizen :
"Clearance height of the bridge over the recreational traffic ("sport") lock is 18.30 metres compared to NAP. 
Yachts that are too high can request a locking via the northern commercial lock, VHF channel 22 (call sign: Krammersluizen)."


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2019 at 06:36
Bruno
may I ask you another question please
I assume that the road over the top is a major one. Presumably there would be a very long wait with very limited opening times, or one might have to wait for a ship that needs the bridge open at the same time. Does the website say anything about that ? Is there a phone number one can ring & ask about it before hand, when planning a trip?


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Hi Samuel
When I nose-dived down the stairs, I had a few bruises and a sore shoulder, but the head just banged the wall a little, so my memory seems allright.
But your memory Samuel? Evil Smile
It is a little confusing, that you writes, that Willemstad(3,5m) and Dordrecht(3,6m) is off-limits to the H445. Is it equipped with an extra volume of keel? I thought that the lowest point was 2,25 m under the surface? If you read my posts, I gave you the harbour dephts above, right?
As for the H445 passing Krammersluiz and Volkerak, Pieterman said: "The sky is the limit", and I have mentioned passing them in both directions. You seem to worry, if the 445 has to wait for days to be sluiced in the commercial locks. I waited between an 1 hour (2 hours when the lock-woman only spoke dutch), and there are quite a few sailing boats with long masts which need to use the commercial lock. When I passed the commercial locks, it was in the company of 5-10 sailing boats.  This was 5 years ago, and today it seems that all boats of 35 feet or more are boasting of a 20-meter mast. You will use the VHF to ask for passage.
Are you offended Samuel? Well at our age, the memory is slipping sometimes.
I have recovered completely after my little bungee-jump (without the cord), but even if I am not planning to join your little convoy next year, I have made further research.
Goes is behind a lock (and thereby no tide to raise the water), and even if the HansaBV harbour just inside is 2,6m, I would phone the harbourmaster and ask if the H445 can pass the channel to Goes which is marked 2,2 - 3,0m.
Zierikzee is not a "no-go", but a "maybe" or "probably". The channel is marked 2,2m, but it is tidal area, and it seems that the difference between low and high is 3 meters. That indicates, that the 445 can pass 90% of the time. Again call the harbourmaster and ask the little question.
Zierik Gemeente Haven (0111 413174?) allows "max draught 3,0m". To me, that suggest that the tide will allow the 445 to sail through the channel to Zierikzee.
I hope that my research will lighten up the faces of your convoy-members, and that you indeed will travel to Holland next year.

If your convoy one day would like to visit the country of the vikings, I stand by with information.
In Denmark we have no tide (max. 30 cm), if the water is oscillating more than this, it is because of stemming up by the wind. Also we have no locks that I can remember.
As for informations about the harbours, I can recommend "Kommas Havnelods 2017-2019", with 491 danish, 287 swedish, 228 german and 32 polish harbours. In there you will find everything there is to know about the harbours, and points of interest nearby. There are also maps showing the streams in the sounds and belts by different winds.
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Originally posted by Captain Cook Captain Cook wrote:

It is a little confusing, that you writes, that Willemstad(3,5m) and Dordrecht(3,6m) is off-limits to the H445. Is it equipped with an extra volume of keel? I thought that the lowest point was 2,25 m under the surface? If you read my posts, I gave you the harbour dephts above, right?
As for the H445 passing Krammersluiz and Volkerak, Pieterman said: "The sky is the limit", and I have mentioned passing them in both directions. You seem to worry, if the 445 has to wait for days to be sluiced in the commercial locks. I waited between an 1 hour (2 hours when the lock-woman only spoke dutch), and there are quite a few sailing boats with long masts which need to use the commercial lock. When I passed the commercial locks, it was in the company of 5-10 sailing boats.  This was 5 years ago, and today it seems that all boats of 35 feet or more are boasting of a 20-meter mast. You will use the VHF to ask for passage.
Are you offended Samuel? Well at our age, the memory is slipping sometimes.

Kjeld

No way am I offendedCry
Sorry, I have misunderstood, so I deserve to be reprimanded
I was speaking to an elderly gentleman (85 years & a bit doddery)who used to sail those waters as well as the Baltic. He told me that it was frowned upon for pleasure yachts to use the commercial locks & that they were not suitable anyway, as the bollards were many metres apart.
It seems that was incorrect
I, therefore, assumed that one could only do so on special occasions.ie early morning. late evening, or when a high ship went through, not too full etc. So not getting past Volkerak would obviously exclude the other excellent places regardless of depth. That is what I meant

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