The acid test!

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   Hi Folks,

When a new model is announced we all look at the statistics to see what has changed from the model it is replacing to see how we THINK it will sail.

We did this with the 445 after the 430 and were amazed when it is if anything better than it predecessor.  Easier to handle just as fast and even more comfortable.

There are a lot of 370's sailing the oceans and this model was a real beauty so the 385 had a very very hard act to follow!

The acid test was to take a 370 owner out on the new 385 to see what he thought.  This owner has sailed around 5,000 miles in all kinds of conditions and simply loved his boat.

We went out in 12-15 knots of true wind and I let him take over.  He was convinced that the 385 pointed higher and faster than his 370, this will have been helped by the laminate sails undoubtedly.  He was easily helming to 30 degrees and keeping the speed in the mid sevens.  

We beat out of the solent for 20 mins with the usual steep chop, which she sliced through effortlessly.  He bore off to 40 degrees and with slightly eased sails the 385 was effortlessly up to over 8 knots.

By the end of the sail he was undoubtedly surprised that the 385 outsailed his lovely 370 but then with the latest hull design and a longer waterline it really should have.

Happy to offer a very positive report from someone who knows his boats well.

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Yeoman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: Hamble Status: Offline Points: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yeoman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: The acid test! Posted: 04 October 2011 at 18:05
	Hi Folks, When a new model is announced we all look at the statistics to see what has changed from the model it is replacing to see how we THINK it will sail. We did this with the 445 after the 430 and were amazed when it is if anything better than it predecessor. Easier to handle just as fast and even more comfortable. There are a lot of 370's sailing the oceans and this model was a real beauty so the 385 had a very very hard act to follow! The acid test was to take a 370 owner out on the new 385 to see what he thought. This owner has sailed around 5,000 miles in all kinds of conditions and simply loved his boat. We went out in 12-15 knots of true wind and I let him take over. He was convinced that the 385 pointed higher and faster than his 370, this will have been helped by the laminate sails undoubtedly. He was easily helming to 30 degrees and keeping the speed in the mid sevens. We beat out of the solent for 20 mins with the usual steep chop, which she sliced through effortlessly. He bore off to 40 degrees and with slightly eased sails the 385 was effortlessly up to over 8 knots. By the end of the sail he was undoubtedly surprised that the 385 outsailed his lovely 370 but then with the latest hull design and a longer waterline it really should have. Happy to offer a very positive report from someone who knows his boats well.

Peter-Blake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 04 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2465	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter-Blake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2011 at 18:15
	Nice to read the story. But it reads more like a text advertisement. - Sorry, my opinion - But let´s wait until a 370 sails in real live against a 385. I wait for the first 385 on the ijsselmeer in Netherlands and than i will compare myself with my 370, espeacially in the lower windrange.....
	Blake 370

alettaenmarcel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 15 August 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1207	Post Options Post Reply Quote alettaenmarcel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2011 at 19:19
	Who has been sailing it , why dont You mention his name... looks like an advertisment to me as well. I have read in a Norwegian or swedisch test it showed very fast. I hope we will meet a 385 on the water. We are hapy with our 370 and will never swop it fot a 385 , we saw some disadvateches comparing to our 370 , but it indeed a very nice boat. greetings marcel
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Rubato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 12 July 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1791	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rubato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2011 at 21:32
	Take it easy on Phil This is good info nonetheless and another data point to put in the bank. I wouldn't expect him to mention the owner, privacy thoughts and all that....
	Steve Hanse 400e, #168

Renegade Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 26 November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote Renegade Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2011 at 22:53
	Yeoman properly did not mention my name without obtaining my prior consent. My previous 370 Renegade, new 2005, the love of my life (sold last year to a gentleman in Denmark) 2nd across Biscay on the 2009 Rally Portugal outperforming larger craft (including Swedens Yacht, Beneteau 423, Halberg Rassy 39..see WCC website for results!!..all the way to Lagos) on handicap and a successful race contender in Round the Island, Royal Escape, Hanse Rally etc I thought could not be beat.... The 385 experience put that grin back on my face, light airs & all; example being it took a new Grand Soleil 50 with laminate sails some 15 minutes to actually pass us from being off the stern to off the bow, I have photos!! Admitedly this one has laminate sails, but all you non believers should give her a try......you may well be surprised. See performance Polar Diagram data - conventional main & jib available on www.windcrafthanse.com/hanse-385.html....we beat this performance easily.. Read the boat report due out soon after press days. How she will go in a blow....don't know...there are some aspects in the interior I don't like (personal taste of course) but if you want out & out upwind performance I think she will be hard to beat.
	Anthony Porter Hanse 370 Renegade of Brighton

Peter-Blake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 04 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2465	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter-Blake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:01
	I just took the numbers from the polar for the 370 and compared it to the polar of the 385. But see yourself: 6kts TWS Angles 45°; 70°; 90 ° 385 4,25 kts; 5,20 kts; 5,18 kts (sails best performance) 370 4,60 kts; 5,60 kts; 6,10 kts (105% genoa) 370 4,70 kts; 6,00 kts; 6,20 kts (140% genoa) 10kts TWS Angles 41,6°; 70°; 90 ° 385 5,94 kts; 6,97 kts; 6,94 kts (sails best performance) 370 6,10 kts; 7,40 kts; 7,80 kts (105% genoa) 370 6,20 kts; 7,60 kts; 7,80 kts (140% genoa) 20kts TWS Angles 41°; 70°; 90 ° 385 6,89 kts; 8,44 kts; 8,55 kts (sails best performance) 370 6,80 kts; 8,45 kts; 9,10 kts (105% genoa) 370 6,90 kts; 8,50 kts; 9,10 kts (140% genoa) As it was stated in another thraed already: In the higher windrange (20kts) the 385 is able to go nearly the speed of the 370! But in low winds the 385 is remarkeble slower than the 370! OK, thats just following the polars. I will give it a try on the water!
	Blake 370

Yeoman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: Hamble Status: Offline Points: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yeoman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:08
	Hi Peter, Tony (Renegade) brought the new polars with him for the test and the boat outperformed them in all directions. Maybe he is just a fantastic helm Cheers Phil

Peter-Blake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 04 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2465	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter-Blake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:09
	I am sure he is! And yes i am able to outperform my 370 sometimes too, ok only sometimes... ;-)
	Blake 370

Yeoman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: Hamble Status: Offline Points: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yeoman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:21
	It sounds like a regular occurrence as we were talking to Navico about the new B & G plotters that will tell you how fast you should be going at certain angles in certain winds once you have uploaded your polars. They then said "and when you are going faster than the polar you tell it the speed you can do at that angle and that wind and it updates". Apparently something like 60% of the polar is wrong on average!

Renegade Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 26 November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote Renegade Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 October 2011 at 20:32
	Attached for information is the Polar Chart for the 385 I was using as a reference point, note Jib not Genoa configuration, at the end of the day the proof will be in sustained performance. One other point I should make is the Volvopenta engine (29hp) & 2 bladed flexifold prop appears to deliver much better motoring speed at lower RPM than my old 29hp Yanmar & Kiwi Prop on Renegade; hopefully also better economy....we will see.
	Anthony Porter Hanse 370 Renegade of Brighton



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